tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post3348499206776679595..comments2023-09-04T21:36:48.170+10:00Comments on The Site Formally Known As: Oh When The Saints Go Marching InStubbadubhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05333188150383405691noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-39085838134685537542010-02-18T14:06:16.802+11:002010-02-18T14:06:16.802+11:00I despise football and football players.
Having ...I despise football and football players. <br /><br />Having said that, this sacking had me outraged. The guy is charged sure but he is not yet found guilty and trial by popularity contest is not the way we do things here.WitchOnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09562967775567670188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-80036901638695844162010-02-18T13:54:05.497+11:002010-02-18T13:54:05.497+11:00They're Nazis Alex.
Who the hell knows what g...They're <i>Nazis</i> Alex.<br /><br />Who the hell knows what goes on in their minds.Ramon Insertnameherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07367002511826523517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-53654162378316617922010-02-18T13:49:26.570+11:002010-02-18T13:49:26.570+11:00Thanks Puss. So technically she/he/it is a singer ...Thanks Puss. So technically she/he/it is a singer - or a lip-syncing dancer or whatever they do these days.<br /><br /><i>I trust this clears things up.</i><br /><br />To the contrary Ramon, it raises more questions. Why would the Nazis give an 11 foot robot killing machine a penis?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-58045285937389766102010-02-18T13:34:17.485+11:002010-02-18T13:34:17.485+11:00Actually, I prefer Ramon's explanation.Actually, I prefer Ramon's explanation.Puss In Bootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14236191025319308375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-23205054281942090012010-02-18T13:32:40.694+11:002010-02-18T13:32:40.694+11:00Think Paris Hilton, but with a fetish for complete...Think Paris Hilton, but with a fetish for completely bizarre and pointless outfits, Alex.<br /><br />I couldn't actually tell you what she sings, though. I only know of her from her constant appearances on Go Fug Yourself.Puss In Bootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14236191025319308375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-54659121767123000712010-02-18T13:31:32.472+11:002010-02-18T13:31:32.472+11:00Lady Gaga is an 11 foot robot, Alex.
Originally d...Lady Gaga is an 11 foot robot, Alex.<br /><br />Originally developed by the Nazis in 1942 as a killing machine, she later turned up in Brazil where she was used as a garden shed before finally turning on her creators in an orgy of unpleasantness.<br /><br />I trust this clears things up.Ramon Insertnameherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07367002511826523517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-83143924810798997932010-02-18T13:19:12.418+11:002010-02-18T13:19:12.418+11:00Did she have a dick, Puss?
I probably shouldn'...<i>Did she have a dick, Puss?</i><br /><br />I probably shouldn't even bother asking who Lady Gaga is, should I?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-82663129701369879292010-02-18T13:14:19.372+11:002010-02-18T13:14:19.372+11:00Good.
Well, that's that dealt with then.Good.<br /><br />Well, that's <i>that</i> dealt with then.Ramon Insertnameherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07367002511826523517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-77860106693509915252010-02-18T13:08:12.540+11:002010-02-18T13:08:12.540+11:00Not as far as I could see.Not as far as I could see.Puss In Bootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14236191025319308375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-84631872429901018142010-02-18T12:17:52.496+11:002010-02-18T12:17:52.496+11:00Did she have a dick, Puss?Did she have a dick, Puss?Ramon Insertnameherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07367002511826523517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-41486590151746903532010-02-18T12:12:16.314+11:002010-02-18T12:12:16.314+11:00That wasn't my intention, actually. I had an ...That wasn't my intention, actually. I had an entirely more banal reason for the comment. The whole point of it was that you could see Lady Gaga's bits on the SMH. It was disgusting. Of course, just after I wrote it, they removed the photo.<br /><br />But seriously. You could clearly see everything.Puss In Bootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14236191025319308375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-27893199611991516162010-02-18T12:00:00.654+11:002010-02-18T12:00:00.654+11:00Puss, you poo-pooed the idea of 'fairness'...Puss, you poo-pooed the idea of 'fairness'.<br /><br />I personally think it's extremely unfair to sack a guy on allegations. Perhaps it was through breach of contract but, again, we shouldn't be making assumptions about it or the presumed clause or breach of that clause.<br /><br />Otherwise we're no better than A Current Affair or the Herald Sun.Lewd Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02482085817373911266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-31583568811050762242010-02-18T09:04:14.628+11:002010-02-18T09:04:14.628+11:00To clarify, as said in my post, he was not sacked ...To clarify, as said in my post, he was not sacked for being accused of rape. <br /><br />I wrote in my post: <i>Reading through the fine print, the club seems to be saying it is not because of the rape charge… but of course, it is. They know it and we know it. </i><br /><br />He was sacked for missing training and/or turning up to training still inebriated, which many companies would sack staff for. Not turning up to a training session is the same as not turning up to work. <br /><br />But, most clubs would simply fine a player, or suspend him for a week if this happens in the off-season, or send them to counselling. <br /><br />It is obvious that they used his 'missing training' indiscretion as a tool to get rid of him so as to distance the club from the potential rape.Perseushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11292281862441986618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-54955225974047808852010-02-18T08:32:21.175+11:002010-02-18T08:32:21.175+11:00Argh! I'm not saying that *was* the clause! ...Argh! I'm not saying that *was* the clause! All I am saying is that he was obviously sacked over some breach of contract! We don't know what. Obviously it was legitimate or he wouldn't have been sacked.<br /><br />You'll notice he's not suing for unfair dismissal. He's suing for workplace bullying. I would suspect he'd succeed on that basis. But it's still very interesting there was no mention of unfair dismissal in the article.Puss In Bootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14236191025319308375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-25303265761800021012010-02-18T07:34:32.326+11:002010-02-18T07:34:32.326+11:00Lovett's lawyers agree with many of you. In t...Lovett's lawyers agree with many of you. In the paper today it says he is suing for $2 million. 'Workplace Bullying'. He probably has a case, too. He may even win the $2m.Perseushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11292281862441986618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-47669089469059134492010-02-18T07:31:42.103+11:002010-02-18T07:31:42.103+11:00that's not what you were referring to when you...<em>that's not what you were referring to when you said it didn't sound fair</em><br /><br />Yes it was. My point was that a contract can't skirt the law. If the contract says you can be sacked for an alleged offence, and you are sacked, and then proven to be not guilty, then the subject will have recourse because the contract was 'unfair' or, in fact, invalid, illegal and poorly drawn up.<br /><br />As Boogey alluded to, the contract is extremely unlikely to say they can sack him for rumours, gossip and innuendo. If it does, it's not worth the paper it's written on,Lewd Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02482085817373911266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-26256530637814779492010-02-18T01:34:28.792+11:002010-02-18T01:34:28.792+11:00Pers your Tigers had no issues about employing Cou...Pers your Tigers had no issues about employing Cousins, a few weeks after he shaved his head to beat the drug testers. <br />Of course, he was never charged with anything and never failed a drug test. Innocent until proven guilty, when it suits.Dr. Golfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16665211860906482041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-52608820318049217512010-02-17T23:28:49.706+11:002010-02-17T23:28:49.706+11:00Those clauses don't mean that they can sack me...<i>Those clauses don't mean that they can sack me for an unproven offence. It just means they can sack me for proven offences, and/or sue me privately for what my actions have done to the company's image.</i><br /><br />That seems like it should be self evident, just given the wording. I mean, if you're accused of something you didn't do, you haven't brought your employer into disrepute, have you? If your employer has been brought into disrepute, it'd be due to circumstances beyond your control - pertaining to the fact that you didn't actually do anything wrong. Right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-33085652284925324832010-02-17T22:38:24.543+11:002010-02-17T22:38:24.543+11:00Most of my employment contracts have something in ...Most of my employment contracts have something in them about 'not bringing the company into disrepute'.<br /><br />Those clauses don't mean that they can sack me for an <i>unproven</i> offence. It just means they can sack me for <i>proven</i> offences, and/or sue me privately for what my actions have done to the company's image.<br /><br />The fooze-ball club in question would be well within its rights, when and if he was proven guilty, to sack him and sue him for at minimum the wages they paid him in the interim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-89971968734979520342010-02-17T22:31:42.853+11:002010-02-17T22:31:42.853+11:00No, but the law is pretty clear about being innoce...<i>No, but the law is pretty clear about being innocent until proven guilty, huh?</i><br /><br />Yes, but that's not what you were referring to when you said it didn't sound fair. You were talking about his contract and its hypothetical clauses.<br /><br /><i>Also, clauses of disrepute? Oh please. So hypothetically speaking, if you are under one of these clauses and someone falsely accused you of something immoral, you get the sack with no chance to defend yourself?</i><br /><br />Don't like the clause? Don't sign the contract. Besides, we don't even know exactly what was in his contract. And as I've said before, I'm fairly certain the club would have covered themselves by firing him over some other breach of contract, and not because of the current rumours floating around.<br /><br />And of course I don't think it's right that he'd be sacked over something he might not actually have done. Of course I believe in the proper application of the justice system, and the "innocent until proven guilty" tenet. All I am saying is that he was likely sacked for breach of contract. What that breach was exactly, I doubt we'll find out.Puss In Bootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14236191025319308375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-28650438517707120942010-02-17T22:04:52.877+11:002010-02-17T22:04:52.877+11:00So what if he is found not guilty? Dunno. But, doe...<i>So what if he is found not guilty? Dunno. But, does it matter?</i><br /><br />Apparently we have a system of law in this country, decided by 'courts' and 'judges' applying a principle known as 'innocent until proven guilty'.<br /><br />Courts exist so that an accused gets their due opportunity to defend themself before any verdict is decided or punishment is handed down. That is fair to both accuser and accused.<br /><br />But who gives a fuck about that when your employer can just decide you are 'guilty until proven innocent' without any sort of trial or due process, and suspend you without pay and without the chance to defend yourself?<br /><br />Also, clauses of disrepute? Oh please. So hypothetically speaking, if you are under one of these clauses and someone falsely accused you of something immoral, you get the sack with no chance to defend yourself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-33486823500599436802010-02-17T21:10:59.444+11:002010-02-17T21:10:59.444+11:00But I bet a zillion dollars he will be
Perhaps th...<em>But I bet a zillion dollars he will be</em><br /><br />Perhaps this is how we should run the legal system from now on.Lewd Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02482085817373911266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-27645771421800879472010-02-17T19:38:20.337+11:002010-02-17T19:38:20.337+11:00life's not fair
No, but the law is pretty cle...<em>life's not fair</em><br /><br />No, but the law is pretty clear about being innocent until proven guilty, huh?Lewd Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02482085817373911266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-9057381933018696422010-02-17T19:17:55.040+11:002010-02-17T19:17:55.040+11:00Minutes after being recruited, he was under invest...<i>Minutes after being recruited, he was under investigation for rape, and had some further alcohol-related problems (missing training etc.) The club suspended him indefinitely and the player got some legal help. His argument, which is fair, was that he was yet to be charged with anything and therefore should not be prevented from training with the team</i><br /><br />I'm having trouble with this bit. Did he miss training because of alcohol or because he wasn't allowed to attend? In the former case, he may have been in breach of contract even without the rape allegation. I don't really know how these things work.<br /><br />I agree with Bob though, in that it's a sad state when all you have to do to end someone's career is make an unsubstantiated allegation.<br /><br /><i>The whole debate about whether sporting heroes are role-models or not is one of the more boring public debates.</i><br /><br />I think you run into problems when you start to idolize people because of their achievements, in the field of sport or otherwise. Sure, you could admire the achievements themselves, but the only real reason to admire an actual person is to know them well enough to describe them as, well, an admirable person.<br /><br />On a related note, I would also like to point out that I think the term "sporting hero" is bullshit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2949589573125647543.post-72926226032615036942010-02-17T16:38:13.783+11:002010-02-17T16:38:13.783+11:00It hardly seems fair we're forced to look at L...It hardly seems fair we're forced to look at Lady Gaga's exposed nether regions on the front of the SMH, but life's not fair.Puss In Bootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14236191025319308375noreply@blogger.com