Wednesday, March 4, 2009

More Religious Fuckwittery



Brave Freedom-Fighters or Utter Cunts? You decide!

The Richmond Football Club were rightly pissed off when the media reported on Ben Cousins’ new home purchase (three bedrooms, two bathrooms), including taking photos and video of the home itself from the street and then publishing these images. “It’s intrusive,” they said, and they are right.

But, as Neil in The Young Ones said to Rik (when Rik discovered his parents were dead), “You think that’s bad.”

For true ‘intrusion on sportspeople’ we cannot go past yesterday’s incident involving a team of everyday bogan/gifted sportspeople just travelling to the sports-ground being attacked with grenades, rocket launchers and machine guns by psychopathic Islamic fucking nutjob cunts. Which results in multiple deaths and injury.

Suddenly, Today Tonight camped at your front door seems tame.

What Radical Islam needs is to have a good hard look at itself in the mirror. What it will see is a violent, stupid and irrelevant movement that has a limited lifespan. But then again, it is so stupid that it probably will never be able to see itself reflected accurately, as they obscure their own reflections with the ghostly visage of celestial virgins and Allah’s loving arms. Hey cunt: It's an hallucination.

Pakistan needs to get this sorted, and quick smart. There was a reasonable doco on Four Corners recently that examined what’s going on there and I recommend watching it if you have the time and band-width to do so.

In the interim, I reiterate my call to all level-headed Muslims to vehemently, loudly and publically decry yesterday’s incident, and to isolate the group responsible and shame them, and I call on Pakistan, Sri Lanka, the UN, the USA, Australia and Israel and anyone else who wants to play to send in their high-tech pre-programmed military machines to eradicate these backwater Bhutto-killing dimwitted failed rug salesmen. They have no place on this Earth. They are not needed.

Cricketers... for fuck’s sake. I tell you this terrorists, even God hates you.

I'm Captain Kneejerk, go to bed.

46 comments:

Ramon Insertnamehere said...

Consider this.

Pakistan is on the brink of becoming a failed state ala Afghanistan.

The difference being that Pakistan has NUCLEAR FUCKING WEAPONS!!!

And it's right next door to India.

Which also has NUCLEAR FUCKING WEAPONS!!!

I tell you, it's brown trousers time.

wari lasi said...

I tell you, it's brown trousers time.

As opposed to brown shirts Ramon?

And Perseus, I know I'll just invite derision from Witchie (where are you Witchie?), but you're on the money again.

It is moderate Islam's responsibility (certainly more than everybody else's) to denounce these cunts and pull them into line. I don't hear any of them saying, "Listen you violent arseholes, Allah hates you and you'll burn in hell for what you've done. No virgins, no rivers of wine."

But they don't do they?

Alex said...

I saw that doco on 4 Corners, and while there's only so much you can get from a 40 minute program, it didn't seem to me like the conflict really had that much to do with religion. All I could see was a bunch of armed thugs whose goal was power, control over people and territory and crushing anything that looked like it could be used to unite people.

They didn't seem any more righteous or holy than any other militia or organised crime syndicate. To me, it looked like their use of religion was as a tool for brainwashing young people and as a sort of public platform that could be used to justify anything.

Still, a 40 minute doco isn't much to base an opinion on and I can't claim to know that much more about it.

Lewd Bob said...

I think you're onto something Alex. It's all about the brainwashing. Those at the top of this tree of shame know there are no virgins, no rivers of wine. They just want power, land, stuff, whatever it is. Those grovelling under the waters of this sea of turds think those at the top of these clouds of piss DO believe it, and they believe it also, because they're taught by these people on the roofs of faeces. And so this house of pus and vomit grows bigger and bigger under the influence of the snowballing influence of penile syphilitic discharge and...what the hell was I talking about?

Melba said...

Am I bad person for finding it hard to care about this? Not because they're cricketers, not because of anything like that. I'm sick of these incidents, and then sick of the predictable response. Sorry Perseus. It's all just so ho-hum.

And I too wonder whether religion is really at the core of it. It's usually other more tangible things.

Fuck it, I can't be bothered getting into it.

Mad Cat Lady said...

house of pus and vomit - 'sbeautiful

Alex said...

Thanks Bob, haven't laughed like that in a while.

I just get this feeling that when these pricks impose their 'Islamic' law, it has less to do with 'what we truly believe is the will of the great Allah' and more to do with 'you cunts better fall into fucking line and understand who has absolute control here' - letting them separate those that can be cowed into obedience from those that need to be made an example of. The religious part of it almost seems like it's tacked on as some sort of means of legitimisation.

And yes, Melba. You are a very, very bad person.

Perseus said...

Ignore the religious component of these whackos at your peril. You cannot understand them without understanding what motivates them. It is not just 'land' and 'power'. It is loftier than that.

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I don't find it ho-hum at all. I find it worrying. Their ability to cause havoc is growing, and as Ramon points out, they are getting closer to apocalyptic weaponry.

It is a global concern, and thus far, the manners by which the West are tackling the extremists have failed.

Recently in Melbourne we had a bunch of idiot Muslims who wanted to blow up the MCG. For sure, they didn't even get close (all they needed was a plan, a bomb and a ruthless assasin) but the point is one day someone might.

Perseus said...

In other news, I'm in Warrnambool and went to a Chinese retaurant.

Entree: Dim Sims - $8. I was hoping/assuming I'd get freshly made ones by the chef, but no, I got Marathon brand that you get from any supermarket.

Main: Garlic Prawns - $25. Plate consisted of prawns, packet garlic sauce and three soggy snow peas.

Side: Steamed rice - $4. I think they steamed it in 1997.

Drink: Green Chinese Tea - $2. TEABAG!

There were no Chinese people in sight - eating, or serving, or cooking.

Country towns make good sausage rolls, but keep clear of Asian restaurants.

Lewd Bob said...

What the fuck were you thinking even stepping in there?

Mr E Discharge said...

syphilitic discharge

I am no longer infected.

Boogeyman said...

Ignore the religious component of these whackos at your peril. You cannot understand them without understanding what motivates them. It is not just 'land' and 'power'. It is loftier than that.


Pfft. To quote a great philosopher, "Pig's Arse!!"

It's always about power. Always. All the battles of the last few millenia have been fought between various crowns and/or churches seeking to expand their power over people.

The question rather is not whether it's about power, but whether those at the head of these little empires believe in their own dogma, or if they're consciously aware of cynically manipulating their followers' beliefs for their own benefit. In the case of many kingdoms or religions historically, it's the former. They really did believe that God anointed them to lead everyone else. I suspect Osama bin Laden and other extreme Muslim clerics think likewise.

Alex said...

I don't find it ho-hum at all. I find it worrying. Their ability to cause havoc is growing, and as Ramon points out, they are getting closer to apocalyptic weaponry.

I haven't been following politics and world events for very long, so I don't have a broad sense of history when it comes to stuff like this, but I do find it incredibly interesting. What would be the response of western countries if it looked like there was going to be a real power shift in Pakistan?

Also, my limited imagination can't come up with any real strategies to address the problem as it currently stands. You could flood the infected regions with peace keeping forces, but the extremists would simply melt into the civilian population - and besides, who's got the will and the resourses to do it? Alternatively, you could bomb their strongholds and whatnot, but then you have to accept high civilian casualties and the consequences that brings.

Anyone else got any ideas I haven't thought of?

Boogeyman said...

Anyone else got any ideas I haven't thought of?

You air-drop massive quantities of MDMA into their water supplies, then just stroll across the border and offer flowers and bottles of water to all the Pakistanis and Afghanians as they say, "you American infidel are just so huggable!"

Alex said...

You air-drop massive quantities of MDMA into their water supplies, then just stroll across the border and offer flowers and bottles of water to all the Pakistanis and Afghanians as they say, "you American infidel are just so huggable!"

Yep. I really do have a limited imagination.

eat my shorts said...

Country towns make good sausage rolls, but keep clear of Asian restaurants.

Well ... duh.

And in other breaking news, the Pope announces he is Catholic.

Seriously? What were you expecting?

Perseus said...

Well according to Boogeyman the Pope's Catholicism is neither here nor there. It's all about power, and land, and if you are to suggest that his Catholicism drives his decision-making in any way, Boogeyman will say, "Pig's Arse!"... and Boogeyman is a wise man, ergo, a Chinese Restaurant in Warrnambool was worth a shot.

(Boogey: I did say that it was not just about land and power... meaning, I concede that's a part of it. But in the 2000's, there's not too many Catholics (frinstance) bombing the fuck out of innocents. They've moved on. This kind of terrorism is seemingly now the domain of apocalyptic Muslims)

Perseus said...

Alex: One initial unfounded and unresearched suggestion is for Pakistan to embark on a 10 year program of a) getting rid of the extremists by b) improving the quality of life for the poor northerners who have been ostracised from mainstream Pakistani society, who, like rednecks the world over, turn to religion for solace and meaning.

Boogeyman said...

More power than land, in my opinion. Power of money. Power to control people. Power of one's ideas to dominate all thought.

The Catholic church has an established power base in a wealthy, first world country, and has heaps of $$$ rolling in from all around the world. They don't need to wage war against anyone anymore to ensure their religion dominates on a global scale.

The radical Muslims, on the other hand, come from poor second or third world countries with few $$$ - therefore bombing the crap out of everyone is probably their best and only option to enhance their power and ensure their religion dominates on a global scale.

Anyway, the Pope doesn't drive the Catholic church. He's just part and parcel of its centuries old machinery.


and Boogeyman is a wise man

Stop sulking and hand me my mitre.

shitbmxrider said...

I had reasonably good Thai food here in Horsham the other nite....

Alex said...

The question rather is not whether it's about power, but whether those at the head of these little empires believe in their own dogma, or if they're consciously aware of cynically manipulating their followers' beliefs for their own benefit.

It's probably of no consequence to the poor bastards caught up in this, but it's something I really wonder about. I've got no proof one way or the other, but I suspect that it's not 100% the former.

One initial unfounded and unresearched suggestion is for Pakistan to embark on a 10 year program of a) getting rid of the extremists by b) improving the quality of life for the poor northerners who have been ostracised from mainstream Pakistani society, who, like rednecks the world over, turn to religion for solace and meaning.

I agree that improving the standard of living of poor people can solve a lot of the world's problems. What I don't see, is how to actually execute that plan in places like the border regions of Pakistan/Afghanistan where legitimate governments don't have any substantial foothold. I'd be interested to read about any strategy that anyone's come up with.

catlick said...

What Bogey said...and look at how the Catholic church wages "war". No birth control including condoms means a guaranteed growing membership, and a sick continent (Africa) of 'under-potential' people through HIV. Alex if you'd like an really broad brush analysis...poor people are fed religion as a panacea, and as social control. (Think how India would be if the gen. pop. didn't buy the dogma that their miserable lives were their own fault carried forward in some unproveable way from a prior existence?) educated and or rich people know better, but continue to participate because it suits their purpose.

Ramon Insertnamehere said...

I agree a lot more needs be done for the ordinary people of Pakistan (and a working democracy would be nice), but you could shower everybody in the region with gold and it wouldn't make the slightest difference to the Islamists.

To sum up - they hate us and want us to die.

Perseus said...

To sum up - they hate us and want us to die.

Yes, well said. This is the immediate point. Sri Lankan cricketers who have nothing to do with internal Pakistan politics are shot at so as to scare as many as possible around the world.

wari lasi said...

More power than land, in my opinion. Power of money. Power to control people. Power of one's ideas to dominate all thought.

All to be achieved through religion, or with religious zealotry as its supposed motive.

The average person is a good person and call me naive (I can't do the accent shit) but even in pursuit of land, money and power the average person will stop short of murdering innocent people, particularly children.

Unless, they have been convinced that a higher power (the highest, the only true power) says that it is not only alright but mandatory, that it is their (and your) only path to true glory and everlasting life.

wari lasi said...

Sorry, double post. I thought I'd finished but I hadn't.

Only religion can convince an otherwise rational person to commit despicable acts. No amount of power, land or money will convince a rational person that it's OK to murder random people.

They need to know that God (their God, whatever that means) said it's OK.

Melba said...

Religion wasn't a factor with the Holocaust, wari.

If Ramon and Perseus believe that the immediate point is that "they hate us and want us to die" then doesn't the question need to be asked WHY?

This is going round in circles. We've been here before, we've discussed this before. This is what I meant with the ho-hum comment.

It's just not a simple case of they hate us and want us to die.

WHY FOR FUCK'S SAKE?

It hasn't always been like this. What has changed? The answers are all there in front of everyone, but it doesn't suit certain agendas (I'm talking politically) to really consider it and try to "fix" it.

catlick said...

"Religion wasn't a factor with the Halocaust"..

I going to assume this is not what you meant to say Melba. I can think of 6 million reasons why you'd be wrong.

Ramon Insertnamehere said...

Melba, I refer you to Paul Berman's excellent book Terror and Liberalism.

Islamists hate liberal democracies like the US, UK and Australia precisely because they are liberal democracies.

The very notion of a society which is open, secular and democratic is anathema to them.

Their ideal model is a theocratic state, which leaves no room for people like you or Perseus.

Perseus said...

WHY?

Because they are extremist Muslims. They are taught to do so.

It's not good enough to say it's because they are poor. The average starving Ethiopian may be envious of us, but does not hate us to the point of waging war against us.

It takes an extremist Muslim armed with Koranic teaching to do that, which, as Wari also points out, is why we cannot take 'religion' out of the debate.

wari lasi said...

WHY FOR FUCK'S SAKE?

Religious zealotry. The firm belief that what they're doing is right, better than right. The only course of action that will please the all seeing, all knowing, the only one true God.

And Catlick beat me to the Huh? about the Holocaust.

But I'll nail my own argument (potentially) by pointing out the attempted genocide in Rwanda was not religiously motivated, but still based on an illogical hatred between the Hutis and Tutsis.

The fact remains however that the violence being perpetrated by Islamic extremists is, by definition, religiously based.

Melba said...

Sorry for the ambiguity catlick. What I meant with that comment was the the religion of the persecutors, ie the Nazis and the regular Germans who helped carry out their evil, was not a factor in their attempt to annihilate the Jews, and they did not believe that it was something their God was wanting them to do. I wasn't talking about the Jewish religion not being a factor, of course it was.

Ramon, thanks for the suggestion. I do know that about Islamists, but I'm not arguing that exactly. I'm saying I don't think that's all, it's not that simple. Possibly we are all in agreement about that.

There's some truth in what you say Perseus, but it's not just poverty that pisses these people off. It's feeling invaded, disenfranchised, and powerless, and of course this is all whipped up by the leaders using whatever rhetoric they can.

Of couse I can't speak for these people, these are just my ideas.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go and buy Guitar Hero for my husband's birthday tomorrow. I was just told on the phone by the JB Hi Fi dude that "you don't want the basic game, you want the drums, the guitar and the microphone."

I've been told.

catlick said...

"What I meant with that comment was the the religion of the persecutors, ie the Nazis and the regular Germans who helped carry out their evil, was not a factor in their attempt to annihilate the Jews, and they did not believe that it was something their God was wanting them to do. "

wiki has something on this, but, you're wrong.

Melba said...

Just read it quickly but can't see anything that actually contradicts my point, catlick.

It talks about cult of personality, which is something I'd agree with with regards to Hitler and his "powers of persuasion". It talks about lack of traditional religion and Hitler and Goebbels as having moved away from religion, it talks about Christianity not providing a barrier to what was done, but it doesn't talk about the belief that God thought they were doing the right thing, and therefore a sense of absolution or righteousness.

I don't think the Nazis killed Jews because the Nazi religion was directing them that way. There were other ideologies at play, disgustingly so.

Gotta run and get this present.

Boogeyman said...

It's not so much that they are Islamic extremists in particular, but just that they are extremists. Extremist adherents of any belief system, religious or otherwise, have historically been willing to wage war, and spill much blood to see their ideal, and only their ideals, dominate. Just look at Communism, Nazism, the French Revolution, the Holy Wars.

These extremists, throughout history, have also drawn much of their willing army from the poorest and lowest educated masses of their countries.

If or when countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan are able to lift the standard of living and education of their general population, I think radical Islam will find its support base eroding.

Ramon Insertnamehere said...

I think it's a furphy that the poor and dispossessed turn to Islamism, Boogey.

Bin Laden himself comes from a family of Saudi billionaires and the London bombers were mostly from well-off, middle class homes.

A recent study of suicide bombers similarly found they tended to come from the prosperous bourgeoisie.

This would accord with studies of European fascism, which also found most of their support was drawn from the middle class.

wari lasi said...

Boogey, your point about socio-economic status is well made. Perhaps it's where this argument has started to go round in circles. And Melba, I'll grant you (as I did in my previous comment) that religion is not the sole force at play.

It is indeed much harder to put across any dogmatic extremist agenda to well fed, well informed people.

Perseus and I will, however, continue to wave the flag against fundamental Islam. And for me, against Islam in general while it does not loudly and vehemently denounce its fanatical elements.

wari lasi said...

Ramon. Hmmm. You're right too.

I think I might go out myself and buy Guitar Hero.

Boogeyman said...

I think it's a furphy that the poor and dispossessed turn to Islamism, Boogey.

True, and it's not quite what I was suggesting. I think that the extremists draw the bulk of their cannon fodder, suicide bombers, etc from the poor and uneducated. But the ones who lead ideological wars are often wealthy and educated, and they usually are well enough educated to not put themselves in the front line to die for their ideals, either.

Anyway, the point I was making is that it is not the religious nature in particular of Islam, or any other religion, that leads its adherents to mass murder and terrorism, but rather that certain sects of those religions (and other belief systems) arise with a fundamentalist and extremist character that will absolutely tolerate no differences, and that this fundamentalist character can be found in non-religious belief systems too, such as Fascism and Communism (which have also lead people to commit similar atrocities in the past).

wari lasi said...

So. To summarise.

Religion is to blame.

But not only religion.

Perseus said...

When Communism was to blame, we took on communists.

When Fascism was to blame, we took on fascists.

Now that militant Islam is to blame, we take on, erm, poverty.

Boogeyman said...

Perseus, I'm not suggesting we don't fight militant Islamists. But if the last century of war has taught us anything, it should be that if we can defuse militant Islam in any way, that's preferable to the certain bloodshed of war.

Perseus said...

...which why I advocate educating them away from religion. They (probably) cannot yet conceive of a Godless life. It is by chipping away at their religious beliefs that could disarm them. You don't necessarily need weapons to fight the religion... education will do the trick. In the meantime though, I think a bit of gunfire up in the Al-Quaeda mountains won't go astray.

Boogeyman said...

which why I advocate educating them away from religion. They (probably) cannot yet conceive of a Godless life. It is by chipping away at their religious beliefs that could disarm them. You don't necessarily need weapons to fight the religion... education will do the trick.

Yes well, I realise that your militant atheism leads you to a perspective that eradicating religion would be the answer to all the world's problems.

Perseus said...

...some of the world's problems, surely.

Alex said...

A recent study of suicide bombers similarly found they tended to come from the prosperous bourgeoisie.

This doesn't surprise me that much. It's probably not a fair comparison, but some of the most radical thinkers I've met were uni students with a bit of book learning and a fervent desire to go out and right the wrongs of the world. This usually fizzles out when they start having to deal with full time employment. I guess that's the mind set of some of these suicide bombers and nutjobs who are waging their jihad on western society. There's usually some list of demands that emerges after the fact, isn't there? America out of the Middle East, Israel out of Palestine, etc, etc. It's not just die westerners, die.

But these aren't the people I was talking about. I was talking about the people who are on the ground fighting for control of Pakistan.

I don't believe that people need to be religious zealots to commit atrocities. Once people become desensitised to this kind of horror, they are capable of doing anything and people who grow up with it don't even see it as being anything but normal. There are people who commit rape or murder and feel the power that it gives them and become addicted to it like a drug.

I think that you could probably go to any region of the world where there is poverty (and this may have less to do with the poverty and more to do with the fact that these regions have corrupt, ineffectual governments) and you will find gangs of armed militia commiting unspeakable acts - not out of any ideology - but because murdering women and children makes people afraid of them and because there is no one there to stop it. I'm not just talking about the big massacres that we see on the tele, but places where this sort of thing is day to day life.

So, while religion is definitely a factor, it makes me wonder if it's the primary motivator of what I saw on 4 Corners the other night, or whether there would be exactly the same problem if there was no religion at all.